i can identify more with people like eleanor roosevelt, jackie kennedy, those are the women whose stories feel close enough to connect with. many of the women in the higher floors, on the state flora, -- floor, they seem like characters from a wonderful story. it was such a long time ago. it is history and you read about it in books. to be in their presence seems a little disconnected. the first ladies on the ground floor floor are the ones that i remember. i remember their real stories and i can picture their lives. in an incredible way that makes me think about their challenges and struggles and how they use the space. >> the first ladies, their private and public lives. c-span is teaming up with the white house is oracle situation -- association white house the store association. the season one president they at 9:00 p.m. pacific. >> now, a discussion about the 2012 campaign and the challenges facing conservatives. this forms part of a conference hosted by the national review institute, and advocacy group founded by william s buckley junior. this is about an hour and 20 minutes. >> can